Your Morning Cup of Ramirez

Nothing like a brisk, refreshing shot of America’s foremost conservative cartoonist - Michael Ramirez. Good morning, New Jersey…time for some common sense!

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  1. Curt says:

    Yes, not firing qualified soldiers because they are gay is what is going to kill the Republican Party. Wah wah wah.

    I guarantee if a gay soldier takes down Osama Bin Laden the Republican Party will be crowing about how they were the ones who were responsible for the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell the whole time.

  2. GHoyas says:

    Caving in to a policy founded less on military experience and more on catering to the increasingly obnoxious demands of the homosexual community is not exactly a glide path to political success, Curt.

  3. Curt says:

    “Caving in to a policy founded less on military experience…”

    Yeah, a policy where qualified servicemen like Mike Almy put their lives on the line to protect you and your free speech.

    And how are they rewarded? By having ungrateful people like you who demand them ro be fired. You’re no better than the liberals who spat on the soldiers who came from from Vietnam.

    If you want to talk about obnoxious, talk about the fact that this policy has cost the tax payers almost one billion dollars.

  4. GHoyas says:

    Yeah, a policy where qualified servicemen like Mike Almy put their lives on the line to protect you and your free speech.

    Boo frickin’ hoo. Since its inception during the American Revolution, our military understood the importance of excluding homosexuals from military service.

    For years it was understood that if a homosexual was that earnest to serve his nation in the military, he’d keep his aberration locked in the closet throughout the term of his service. If he didn’t, he was drummed out. Simple as that.

    Don’t forget that you people are a tiny minority out of the population of normal people.

    Sheesh. I’m wondering why you haven’t crowed about the recent NY Times piece explaining, among other things, that “More than 14,000 soldiers lost their jobs and their dignity over the last 17 years because they were gay, but there will be no more victims of this injustice.”

  5. Ed Mazlish says:

    “Don’t forget that you people are a tiny minority out of the population of normal people.”

    The smallest minority in the world is the individual, and as a Conservative I defend the rights of all minorities to be treated equally under the law.

    Gene, this was a decision made by the elected branches of government - on what basis do you object to it?

    As much as I support the repeal of DADT, I can’t voice my support without criticizing the total cowardice of President Obama on this issue. Harry Truman desegregated the military overnight, with none of the handwringing Obama and these Democrats showed. If it was the right thing to do, which I think it was, they should have just done it. That they rammed so much other legislation down our throats over loud objections shows that they have no compunction about governing against the will of the American people - so their dithering over this issue shows that they could not care less about the rights of gay people. Rather, Obama and the Democrats showed only that they use the homosexual community for political purposes, in exchange for unwavering suport at the ballot box.

  6. Curt says:

    “Since its inception during the American Revolution, our military understood the importance of excluding homosexuals from military service.”

    And the importance of exluding soldiers like Mike Almy is…….. Oh wait, there is no importance. It’s amusing how people like you are willing to sacrifice their credibility and dignity because you are so weak you can’t handle the fact that gay people are regular people.

    “If he didn’t, he was drummed out. Simple as that.”

    Yeah, stay in the closet every single day, make sure you keep your lies straight, never ever bring up your personnal life when everybody else does, make sure your all communication with your partner is kept secret 100% as all times. “Simple as that.”

    Gene, why do you expect gay people to lie all the time when you are so horrible at doing it yourself?

    “Don’t forget that you people are a tiny minority out of the population of normal people.”

    LOL, “you people”, what is this, All in the Family? For such a tiny population gay people seem to be all over the place. It would take somebody with an extremely anti-social attitude to not pick up on that. And Gene, from all of your postings I have read I would hardly clarify you as one of the “normal people”.

    The NY Times is liberal garbage, I stopped reading that years ago.

  7. Curt says:

    Ed,

    “Gene, this was a decision made by the elected branches of government - on what basis do you object to it?”

    I think we all know the answer to that Ed.

    “Harry Truman desegregated the military overnight, with none of the handwringing Obama and these Democrats showed.”

    Absolutely correct Ed. But what I didn’t know until watched the Senate hearings was 1) It took five years to desegregate the military, starting in 1948 all the way until 1953 when we were in Korea. There was also problems with the South which still had segregation laws, including the hotels that military servicemen would stay at. 2) Truman desegregated the military by an Executive Order. When DADT was put into place in 1993, the law was set up so the president could not repeal it. It could only have been repealed by Congress or the Supreme Court.

    “Rather, Obama and the Democrats showed only that they use the homosexual community for political purposes, in exchange for unwavering suport at the ballot box.”

    I agree.

  8. GHoyas says:

    Yeah, stay in the closet every single day, make sure you keep your lies straight, never ever bring up your personnal life when everybody else does, make sure your all communication with your partner is kept secret 100% as all times. “Simple as that.”

    That about summed it up. And it worked beautifully well for over 200 years. I’m sure it inconvenienced the homosexuals, but who cares?

    For such a tiny population gay people seem to be all over the place.

    They have the time, the money and the huge chip on their shoulders. They are determined to arm-twist the normal majority into declaring as normal that which, by nature, is abnormal and deviant. What they - and you - need to understand is that the tolerance of any majority has its limits. You can push them only so far before they push back.

  9. GHoyas says:

    Gene, this was a decision made by the elected branches of government - on what basis do you object to it?

    Plenty of decisions made by the elected branches of government were and are terrible ones. This particular decision flies in the face of over two hundred years of military experience and tradition - and who knows better when it comes to military order and discipline: the military or the Congress? Mark my words: the repeal of DADT will have numerous unintended and dire consequences.

    I appreciate your philosophical position regarding the individual, Ed - and in theory it works perfectly. But we live in the real world and the real world is a messy muddle where perfect theories gain little purchase in everyday life.

    While humans are rational creatures capable of extraordinary feats of logic and intellect, the everyday world is one filled with irrationality, illogic and plain stupidity. The trick is to maximize the former and minimize the latter.

    We call this trick the political process and it is no accident or lark that politics has been defined as “the art of the possible.”

  10. Curt says:

    ” I’m sure it inconvenienced the homosexuals, but who cares?”

    Holy crap are you bitter.

    But going by the polls, 80% of the American public seems to care.

    “They have the time, the money and the huge chip on their shoulders.”

    Uh, actually “they” are busting their asses every day at their jobs and doing the same amount of work as everybody else. They only difference is that they are still treated as second class.

    “They are determined to arm-twist the normal majority into declaring as normal that which, by nature, is abnormal and deviant.”

    Arm-twist= educate
    normal majority= general population
    declaring= accepting
    abnormal and deviant= Gene’s proof that his entire knowledge of gay people comes not actually dealing with gay people at all but a misperception fueled by his own inner insecurities and lack of education.

    “You can push them only so far before they push back.”

    Awwww, poor Gene feels so threatened. I can’t wait to see the look on your face the day you realize that your entire fear is irrational and pointless. That gay people are as good as you and that there really is no “us” and “them”.

  11. GHoyas says:

    Gene, do you want your bottle before your nap time or after? Theres nothing that turns women on more than a middle aged baby.

    Change your tune or your ass gets bounced out of here so fast your head will spin.

  12. We have ZERO tolerence for derogatory remarks in the comment section. Post one and you are gone, plain and simple.

    Bye, bye Curt!

  13. Ed Mazlish says:

    Gene: There is no dichotomy between theory and practice. What makes a theory good is that it is consistent with the facts of reality. I don’t see any fact of reality contradicted by my statement that the smallest minority is the individual, or that Conservative, limited government advocates defend all minorities - particularly the individual - from any encroachment on the principle of equality under the law. As Madison noted in Federalist No. 10, majorities are not the ones who need the protection of limited government, because they can always enact their preferences through majority vote. The limits on government exist precisely to protect minorities - first and foremost the minority comprised of a single individual.

    Yes, there are irrational, illogical and stupid people out there. But it does not follow that we consequently need irrational, illogical or stupid laws. As long as fraternization is strictly prohibited, which it is and continues to be, I see no logical reason for a ban on gays. The only explanation I have seen offered is that some people are uncomfortable sleeping and showering with openly gay people. That is not a logical reason, it is a capitulation to the irrational prejudices some people hold.

  14. GHoyas says:

    There is no dichotomy between theory and practice.

    In theory, communism works perfectly. In practice? Not so much. The dichotomy is wider than the Grand Canyon.

    What makes a theory good is that it is consistent with the facts of reality.

    By that definition you are doomed to disappointment because the theory of a world where all people act only in their own enlightened self-interest and refrain from interfering with the liberty of others will never see the light of day in reality.

    The only explanation I have seen offered is that some people are uncomfortable sleeping and showering with openly gay people.

    That is not a logical reason, it is a capitulation to the irrational prejudices some people hold.

    We aren’t talking about civil society, Ed. We’re talking about the U.S. military, where survival depends upon what is known as “unit cohesion.” As Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore put it: “American soldiers in battle don’t fight for what some president says on TV, they don’t fight for mom, apple pie or the American flag, they fight for one another.”

    The “irrational prejudice” toward homosexuals that you decry was, is and always will be a fact of human life and I suggest you not hold your breath waiting for its abolition. It is what it is and the military is not the proper laboratory to experiment with the possibility of changing this aspect of human nature - especially since we are at war.

    As my friend Stuart Koehl so brilliantly summarized:

    Historically, most armies have seen homosexual behavior as undermining military discipline. Even the Spartans didn’t tolerate it in the field, while the Romans considered it a capital offense. There is just one noteworthy example of open homosexuality in military service—the Theban Sacred Band, 150 pairs of homosexual lovers who swore an oath to stand by each other to death (and who were wiped out by Alexander the Great at Cheironeia). So even fairly tolerant societies found homosexuality unacceptable in the army, for the same reason that women were unacceptable: they introduced sexual tension into small group dynamics, undermining unit cohesion.

    That tension has several causes. First, heterosexual men in the unit may not like becoming potential objects of sexual attraction to their fellow soldiers (the same thing also applies to women in mixed units), especially given the close quarters and lack of privacy that is part of field service. Second, there may be the suspicion that one or more soldiers may actually have entered into a sexual relationship, with the disruptive effect that can have on both discipline and performance (i.e., favoritism—will this guy risk his life to save me, or will he look out for his “special friend” first). If the homosexual involved is an officer, it creates all sorts of opportunities for abuse, which we have already seen in sexually mixed units. Given the kind of minefield that civilian workplaces have become due to sexual harassment laws, one wonders about the wisdom of tossing metaphorical mines in among the real ones with which our troops have to contend.

    Or, as Colin Powell succinctly put it: “Men don’t like to take showers with men who like to take showers with men.” It’s a fact of life that liberals, social engineers and political philosophers either cannot or will not accept - to the detriment of our armed forces.

  15. Di Marco says:

    Has anyone started a pool for when the first “discrimination” lawsuit is brought by a homosexual soldier because they were denied a promotion or assignment?

  16. Ed Mazlish says:

    Gene:

    The theory of communism is that man has no independent right to exist for himself, but muswt spend his life toiling for unknown others. That is a vicious theory, which has led to consummate results in practice.

    As for your citations to other armies that found it “necessary” to prohibit gay service, I offer two responses. First, I am sure our friend Curt can come up with an even longer list of countries that allow openly gay soldiers to serve, and that such service has not destroyed the effectiveness of those fighting units (I am not certain but I believe the Israeli army allows openly gay soldiers to serve, and the Israeli army is not known as a weak fighting force). So I think there is evidence on both sides, making the evidence inconclusive. Second, and more importantly, I do not rely on the laws, customs or social mores of any other society, even the admirable governments of Ancient Athens or the Roman Republic. Our Founding documents improved upon those societies and governments, and I rely only on them.

    I do agree with you that the military is not the place to conduct a social experiment, especially during wartime. I might be persuaded that it makes more sense to wait until the troops are brought home before full repeal is implemented - but presumptively I think the policy should go today. And not as a social experiment, but because I do not believe it is proper for the US Government to single out and stigmatize anyone, other than someone duly convicted of a crime for which it was proper for a properly limited government to prohibit in the first place. Regardless of how deviant homosexuality is, I do not think the US Government should be stigmatizing it.

    And as far as the fears men have of showering, I think a more strict fraternization policy would be sufficient to advance all of the concerns you identify. As long as it is crystal clear that it is “hands off!” I don’t see the problem of gays serving in the military.

  17. GHoyas says:

    I don’t see the problem of gays serving in the military.

    Then I suggest you have a tete-a-tete with the 60%+ of the USMC that appear to have a big problem with it - and that’s based on a not-too-reliable poll conducted by the Defense Department.

    I know enough military folks to say with confidence that this number is way less than it actually is. The overwhelming majority of the rank and file together with an overwhelming majority of lower rank line officers oppose this new policy.

    It seems the only ones who support it are the “corporatized” generals and admirals jockeying for positions of political favor in the Pentagon.

  18. GHoyas says:

    The theory of communism is that man has no independent right to exist for himself, but muswt spend his life toiling for unknown others. That is a vicious theory, which has led to consummate results in practice.

    As I understand it, the communist theory propounded by Marx held that human history is characterized by a class struggle throughout the various phases of civilization that ultimately culminates in capitalism and the subsequent oppression of the proletariat, who make up the majority of the world’s population and are the virtual slaves of the wealthy ruling class. Marx argued that this inequality must be corrected by a proletarian revolution that included the confiscation of all private property by the people (i.e., the state) at which time a classless society would emerge - one that embodied in the epigram: “From each according to his ability; to each according to his needs.”

    The theory is that human nature would somehow change and that people would strive for the collective good instead of the personal and individual good.

  19. Ed Mazlish says:

    “The theory of communism is that man has no independent right to exist for himself, but muswt spend his life toiling for unknown others.”

    and

    “The theory is that human nature would somehow change and that people would strive for the collective good instead of the personal and individual good.”

    is saying the same thing in two different ways.

    Communism denies all aspects of individuality, and suppresses them for whatever the so-called “common good” is defined to be by whoever claims to be the voice of the people. And for all those who are too selfish to throw themselves into an oven or a gulag, the self-proclaimed voice of the people will there with jackbooted thugs to make sure his selfishness is overcome.

    The practice of communism is precisely as the theory holds. There is no dichotomy whatsoever. Evil in theory, vicious in practice.

  20. njtaxpayr688 says:

    We aren’t talking about civil society, Ed. We’re talking about the U.S. military, where survival depends upon what is known as “unit cohesion.” As Lieutenant Colonel Hal Moore put it: “American soldiers in battle don’t fight for what some president says on TV, they don’t fight for mom, apple pie or the American flag, they fight for one another.”

    That’s all that needs to be said, and the following WAS said by the nation’s top Marine Corps officer, Commandant Gen. James Amos. “Mistakes and inattention or distractions cost Marines lives”

    Apparently, liberal politicians don’t want us to have a “cohesive” armed services. They want it to be “trendy” and “politically correct”. That only weakens their ability to fight. MOST of the Marine Corps does NOT want to fight on the front lines with homosexuals in their midst. Liberals, stay out of it!

  21. dragontech64 says:

    GHoyas says: “For years it was understood that if a homosexual was that earnest to serve his nation in the military, he’d keep his aberration locked in the closet throughout the term of his service. If he didn’t, he was drummed out. Simple as that.”

    Right, so simply writing an email home to their partner, have their unit hack into their email and share it for all to see, and get kicked out anyway. This happened to a submariner named Timothy McVeigh (NOT the OKC bomber, just has the same name) For allowing unauthorized access so Seaman McVeigh’s email, AOL had to pay him $19,000,000. This was back in the 80’s when this happened. McVeigh was trying to, as you put it, “keep his aberration in the closet.” Nice bigoted term, there, knuckledragger. You’d make a great Archie Bunker. Eyes and ears shut, mouth wide open. EVERYONE deserves to be treated equally. So if McVeigh is fired from the Navy for his sexuality coming out, so should STRAIGHT people. Keep your sex to yourself or be fired, equal treatment for all. Would that work for you? Or is it only one demographic that “deserves” to be oppressed?