Tea Party Promoted Socialist Candidate Wins Election

socialist-party-njWith the disappointing Presidential election results and the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, it was easy to miss the results of this local election in Monmouth County.  The Red Bank Regional High School District elected 19 year old Socialist Pat Noble to their school board.  This is notable because this candidate was promoted by a “conservative tea party” group in New Jersey as a “fine young man too young to do any harm.”  At the time, CNJ argued vehemently that no conservative group should ever give a platform to a socialist.  The first of many articles on that can be found here.

Yes, the community where this “conservative tea party” has it’s headquarters, has elected the only known, avowed socialist, to any office in the State of New Jersey.  With “conservative tea party” groups like this, doing the stellar and effective job they are, it should be an interesting election cycle next year.

As conservatives, we need to pay attention to those who are able to articulate our principles and beliefs before it is too late and more Socialists are elected right under our noses, in our own communities.

Here is the Socialist’s election night statement in it’s entirety:

We Did It

We did it.

Today, 1,033 people in Red Bank said yes to socialism, and elected a socialist to the Red Bank Regional High School Board of Education with 54% of the vote.

While officially non-partisan, the message of this campaign was clear. We promoted ideas that are socialist in nature, specifically the empowerment of teachers and students alike. Words were not minced, and we promoted my candidacy for what it is. I am a 19 year old socialist, uncompromisingly anti-capitalist, and I would like to work against budget cuts and help make students free to learn.

Thank you to everyone that supported the campaign over the past eight months, as well as to all of the individuals and organizations that gave endorsements.

Along with my election, Socialist Party USA candidates across the country are making significant gains. In Indiana, John Strinka will likely win 10% of the vote in his bid for State Senate. In a State Senate race in Texas, Angela Sarlay took in 5,200 votes (18%). Peter Diamondstone has won over 2,000 votes for US Senate (1%), against “socialist” Bernie Sanders. Here in New Jersey, Greg Pason will likely win roughly 2,000 votes for US Senate, against Democratic war-hawk Bob Menendez.

While we celebrate this electoral victory, we must remember that the radical change that we desire will not come from the ballot box. Capitalism was not voted into power, and it cannot be voted out of power. Our liberation will come through mass struggle and a united movement that is committed to democracy, solidarity, and freedom.

Let’s use this election as a building block towards a stronger movement for a better education system. Consider joining the Socialist Party USA, a multi-tendency, democratic socialist organization that is committed to building a free, liberated society. Additionally, consider joining Revolutionary Unity, a new and energetic organization that seeks to unite anti-capitalists of various stripes under one banner.

Thank you all. I look forward to continuing our struggle, together.

Yours in Solidarity,

Pat Noble
11/6/12

You don’t even need to read between the lines of that statement to know what this 19 year old believes, and what he is advocating for.

As he said in his statement, there was no doubt that he campaigned for Socialist ideas.  Their platform can be found here.  The Socialist candidate, now elected School Board Member, is the Chairman of the Monmouth County Socialist Party.

What part of the statement above makes you comfortable with what the young men and women in the Red Bank Regional High School District may be learning about in the near future?

What might their next textbooks contain inside them?

Does any conservative look at the election of a Socialist to any level of government as a step in the right direction?

Does any conservative look at the election of a Socialist at any level of government as harmless?

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57 Comments

  1. The Donald says:

    LOL Bernie Sanders is a SINO = Socialist In Name Only. That is RADICAL!

  2. NJCathie says:

    Yes and then he grows up.

    I think we were all socialists at that age…dreaming of a clean and equal society, one that was there for their fellow man…then WE all grew up.

  3. Rob Eichmann says:

    Are the individuals who own the tea party in question young idealistic kids? Are they holding themselves out as conservatives? This is the only elected socialist in the state, right in their own front yard and with their blessing and help.

  4. truther says:

    I think we were all socialists at that age…dreaming of a clean and equal society, one that was there for their fellow man…then WE all grew up.

    Speak for yourself. I was NEVER a socialist.

    Yes and then he grows up.

    Ask the young socialists Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin about “growing up”.

    They too understood “that the radical change that we desire will not come from the ballot box. Capitalism was not voted into power, and it cannot be voted out of power. Our liberation will come through mass struggle.”

    No NJCathie, you better face up to the hard fact that Pat Noble is a very committed and very radical young Marxist. He isn’t going though some “phase”. He is the real deal.

    Well played, Bayshore!

  5. Wolfie says:

    Why didn’t Bayshore run someone for the seat and beat him? The Tea Party should run candidates for school board and take over every district they can. The school board governs local education and plays a big part in setting property taxes and its members gain valuable insight and understanding to run for higher office.

    More importantly, I have always believed the Tea Party must play a teaching role to make sure the next generation understands the heritage of their Constitution and freedoms. That isn’t being done now by the schools, by society, or by the media.

    Having meetings and inviting young people is great, but how much more effective would the Tea Party be if they controlled school boards, budgets, and curricula. This socialist clown won with a little more than 1,000 votes. Every Tea Party group in the state has 1,000 members and supporters.

    The Tea Party may be made up of mainly older people, but you can control the future by winning school boards. These are small turnout elections dominated by older voters. Be good parents and grandparents and do it.

  6. Pat Noble says:

    To be fair, the folks at CNJ have talked about me many times more then the Bayshore Tea Party folks over the past year and a half, so by CNJ logic, they deserve thanks for the media promotion.

    Also,

    Pat Noble is a very committed and very radical young Marxist. He isn’t going though some “phase”. He is the real deal. -Truther

    I appreciate that compliment very much. Thank you.

  7. truther says:

    To be fair, the folks at CNJ have talked about me many times more then the Bayshore Tea Party folks over the past year and a half, so by CNJ logic, they deserve thanks for the media promotion.

    Nice try, Reds, but exposing you for the Marxist you are is hardly positive media promotion. Ask Mitt Romney how much he liked the “promotion” Barack Obama’s negative ads gave him.

    Don’t you worry, conservatives will make sure everyone in Red Bank knows who you are for the next time.

  8. Ron Van Cleef says:

    Pat Noble is an extremely articulate, intelligent and industrious young man. Anyone reading his statement can get a glimpse of that. Even better, go listen to him speak when you get a chance. The notion that he is “going through a phase” or somehow misguided is ridiculous. He’s committed to seeing improvements in education and a better life for the working class.

  9. Congrats, Pat! Maybe New Jersey will be the first state to know what socialism really is and we can start changing the meaning of red state.

  10. TT says:

    Nice to see some conservatives’ true colors come out in their true colors again. It’s interesting that some of you guys view socialists as the threat to democracy when you can’t even accept the results of a democratic election without going into a hissy fit. It was the will of the voters, in order to have a democratic election, you kind of have to accept that the voters reign supreme. Want to see the true threat to democracy? Look in the mirror.

  11. truther says:

    Hello Reds!

    Yes, read his statement:

    we must remember that the radical change that we desire will not come from the ballot box. Capitalism was not voted into power, and it cannot be voted out of power. Our liberation will come through mass struggle

    Lenin couldn’t have done better. In fact it almost is Lenin.

    Don’t worry, most of us know that Pat and the rest of you are deadly serious. We will keep a very close watch on Pat and when he acts like a Red, we’ll kick him hard on the blogs and in letters to the editor.

    Then he can thank us for the “promotion”.

  12. truther says:

    Uh, huh TT. Stop being such an idiot and read young Pat’s words:

    we must remember that the radical change that we desire will not come from the ballot box. Capitalism was not voted into power, and it cannot be voted out of power. Our liberation will come through mass struggle

    Who is a threat to democracy?

    You Reds are a joke.

  13. TT says:

    On one hand we are talking about words directed at a mostly unjust system. Easily misinterpreted words at that—mass struggle doesn’t have to be armed, simply educating the masses is part of mass struggle.

    On the other hand, here you are specifically refusing to accept the results of the most present example of practical democracy we have: an election. When you can’t accept the result of an election, I’ve got news for you—you can’t accept democracy. Democracy is in the choice of the voters, and if you can’t respect that, you can’t have democracy.

  14. KyRed says:

    Congrats Pat! Always happy to see public officials elected who are in the interest of the common good rather than simply for the interest of business. Hopefully there will be more like you elected around the country.

  15. truther says:

    Here you go again, idiot:

    we must remember that the radical change that we desire will not come from the ballot box

    Does your brain hurt?

    On one hand we have Pat’s clearly undemocratic WORDS. Yes, his WORDS.

    On the other we have an idiot called TT (shouldn’t that be TP) who claims that somebody doesn’t recognize Pat as elected. When? Where? Sure, he’s elected. I just can’t wait until he wants to be RE-ELECTED. LOL!

  16. truther says:

    Hey KyRed, get a load of these words:

    While we celebrate this electoral victory, we must remember that the radical change that we desire will not come from the ballot box. Capitalism was not voted into power, and it cannot be voted out of power

    The “common good”? LOL

  17. Mimi S. says:

    I think a lot of folks are drawing inspiration from Pat’s victory in NJ. Pat is dedicated to the people and frankly, I think in light of his age, Pat’s accomplishment is all the more significant. To those who doubt Pat’s ability, I think you’ll be in for a pleasant surprise when you see what he’s capable of. Many in California fully support Pat in his new position, and are confident that his victory will pave the way for many more socialist victories in the years ahead. Congratulations, Pat!!

  18. john40802 says:

    Funny, conservatives do not even realize what socialism is. If they did, many would probably agree with the ideals. It was closer to the republicans of the 19th century than conservatives of the past generation!!!! Socialists, like myself, don’t want a “bigger” government, don’t hold anything like the former USSR or Cuba as socialist states, and don’t believe in anything such as control. To the moron stating “Until he grows up,” not everyone becomes a cold-hearted, apathetic individual due to hardships throughout life and something like the government. We want a fair, balanced government, where citizens run things and people have a say not only to what happens in their lives directly, but also what happens in their country and job place. We also want to rid the place of corruption as much as we can. This isn’t something that wears off or disappears. What doesn’t make sense is that you would move from NOT wanting wars, wanting equality, wanting freedom and rights to all of a sudden being in support of those who WANT war, WANT to take away rights for women and other personal rights, who squash and repress the middle class. That is what you are saying when you speak of “growing up” and no longer having those “dreams”. You became brainwashed, or perhaps you are a bigot who believed at one time this would be a Christian nation with religious principles everywhere. Thankfully that is not the case. We’re growing, and I want you to know that. When suddenly we have 3% of the votes for some elections in states, socialists are elected to the city council and other positions such as this one, and with a senator in office, we are climbing all the time. Check out the stats among individuals under 35. It is a matter of time before capitalism and the problems it causes are out of the way. That doesn’t mean giving up private property, but it does mean that people won’t be crushed, more rights will be given, and less people in poverty will exist. Either learn about it and accept it, or try to stop it, it is coming and you have no idea what you are even arguing against. That is why you people are so close to the end. The conservative group happens to be the most stupid group in the nation, period. You guys are a dying breed as more people begin to shed myths of deities, stand up for equal and individual rights, and fight the oppression that capitalism brings. Nearly half of conservatives in many states are over 65. You guys are literally a dying breed. Look it up–socialism. It is coming, and this will be a better place.

  19. john40802 says:

    And “truther”, you’re an idiot. You state Lenin as a socialist? How moronic are you? Ever take a single class that was not indoctrinating? Ever receive an education? This article also “warns” about statements in Pat Noble’s message. What, “everyone have free education”? That is dangerous? I don’t know how such ignorant people can even speak out about something they have no knowledge on. Lenin was an AUTHORITARIAN DICTATOR. Under true socialism, there is no dictator!!!!! Brainless “truther” though has to protest. Schmuck.

  20. http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/berlin_airlift/large/documents/index.php?pagenumber=2&documentid=1-1&documentdate=1948-09-11&studycollectionid=Berlin&groupid=

    Norman Thomas, former Socialist Party Presidential candidate, on Stalin and the Soviet Union under Stalin

    “We know that heed must be paid to the institutions, customs and traditions of the various countries, and we do not deny that there are countries, such as America and England and if I was familiar with its institutions, I might include Holland, where the workers may attain their goal by peaceful means. That being the case, we must recognise that in most continental countries the lever of revolution will have to be force; a resort to force will be necessary one day in order to set up the rule of labour.” - Karl Marx

    “If the workers can’t learn to aim their ballots right, they won’t aim their bullets any better.” - Eugene Debs, former Socialist Party Presidential Candidate

    Can we drop this BS about the Socialist Party standing against democracy? We love democracy, wish to strengthen it politically by introducing electoral reforms such as proportional representation and by preventing the political oppression that hit such groups as Occupy, for trying to protest the direction of the country. You were linked to our platform, read it. We love democracy so much that we want to extend it and create economic democracy, which is socialism, though you sadly mistake it for that which was practiced by Stalin and Mao. That wasn’t socialism; that was betrayal and dictatorship. I would personally argue that it is inevitable if you try to implement a socialist revolution in a feudal society.

    I’ll leave you with the words of Martin Luther King Jr:

    http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/document/essay-mlk-entitled-bravest-man-i-ever-met

    Text version here: http://davidgaines.newsvine.com/_news/2011/01/17/5860021-martin-luther-king-jr-the-bravest-man-i-ever-met

  21. “If the workers can’t learn to aim their ballots right, they won’t aim their bullets any better.” - Eugene Debs

    “We know that heed must be paid to the institutions, customs and traditions of the various countries, and we do not deny that there are countries, such as America and England and if I was familiar with its institutions, I might include Holland, where the workers may attain their goal by peaceful means. That being the case, we must recognise that in most continental countries the lever of revolution will have to be force; a resort to force will be necessary one day in order to set up the rule of labour.” - Karl Marx

  22. Socialism is economic democracy, where the people collectively own and CONTROL the means of production. That means decisions are made democratically and every person, whether on a national basis or on a worksite basis, has a vote in what happens. We’ve long opposed Stalin and Mao and Norman Thomas, another former SP candidate, wrote a letter warning President Truman of Stalin and “the Soviet dictatorship.” Thomas was also the subject of Martin Luther King’s essay, “The Bravest Man I Ever Met.”

    Of course, we were supporting women’s suffrage, racial equality, and LGBTQI rights long before they ever became fashionable.

  23. jfuzz says:

    Actually John, Lenin was a socialist. Stalin certainly wasn’t. Lenin didn’t want another “Napoleon” to occur, which.. Stalin was. He wanted to destroy the power of the state. However, he believed that the immediate disappearance of the state could cause, shock and destruction. His belief was that if the state stayed after the corporate power was gone, it would have to slowly wither away, so people can adjust to the changes that wouldn’t be so immediate. He regretted his decision of choosing Stalin as his predecessor, and would have changed that, if he was given the chance.

  24. Remember, as well, Victor Berger was a SP candidate who was twice elected to the US Congress, but they refused to seat him and disempowered the voters in New York.

  25. Truther, do keep in mind that he supported democracy - he’s saying it won’t come through the ballot box because he is of the opinion that if the day came that the socialists won a majority, or even a significant portion, of the representation that the capitalists would not cede power as they lawfully should. See my reference to Victor Berger above.

    I do not agree with him on this issue, but it is a valid concern given history in the US and socialism.

  26. Greg says:

    Congrats to Pat. The Socialist Party of New Jersey is excited about this victory. Electoralism is not our only focus and I’m sure while Pat is working on BOE issues he will also be fighting for social justice and economic democracy outside the BOE along with the rest of us s well as bringing socialist ideas to the BOE.
    I’m not sure if Lenin qualifies as a socialist or not (or why its relevent to this discussion)- his “socialism” is something I strongly disagree with, but I know Pat IS a socialist. Congrats Pat!

  27. Black and red says:

    Yo Truther, Read about Socialist party USA they are democratic socialists. They believe in socialism through democracy.

    Stop taking one Lenin quote without context, and extrapolating it to all socialism and left wing movements.

    The left wing is diverse: Leninsim, Trotskysim, Democratic socialism, Anarcho-communism.

    Read a book bro.

  28. truther says:

    Thank you, Jfuzz for educating our buddy John.

    As for the rest of you, thank you all for coming on here and fleshing things out for us. It was most informative.

    Hey, do any of you have an opinion on Daniel DeLeon?

  29. truther says:

    Hey Black and Red, that wasn’t a Lenin quote, that was a Noble quote, Bro.

    Read Bro, focus.

  30. truther says:

    Thanks for explaining your position Veronica, but I am confused about one term that you used:

    LGBTQI rights

    I understand what the first three stand for, what are the rest?

  31. Donny Dee says:

    This is great!! No wonder tea parties are as relevant as ticks on a dog.

  32. Donny Dee says:

    Judging from last election’s results, it seems calling a Democrat “Socialist” is less damaging than calling a Republican “Tea Party”.

  33. truther says:

    Judging from last election’s results, it seems calling a Democrat “Socialist” is less damaging than calling a Republican “Tea Party”.

    Spoken like a true lover of the Fat.

  34. Congrats! Socialism is the solution to our bankrupt two party system.

  35. Andy says:

    “Socialism is the solution to our bankrupt two party system.”

    Didn’t the Soviet Union prove this?

    Isn’t Greece proving this now?

  36. Rob Eichmann says:

    You Socialists are something else, can’t even make your minds up about who your favorite Socialists were/are in history.

    Claims that Cuba is not a Socialist country or that Socialists don’t want big government are comical. No wonder, for the most part, no one takes you seriously.

    Your collectivism is not wanted in a land where individual freedom, individual liberty, and individual property rights are revered. Yes that even means that individuals can own their own business, where you can do something novel and become gainfully employed while following the direction of that owner.

    Of course being gainfully employed may interfere with your ability to participate in that idiotic and asinine “Occupy” movement that you Socialists seem to be so very proud of.

  37. Art says:

    Hey Tea Baggers, I like the way you guys “exposed” Pat when he was openly running as a socialist. Nice investgative work!

    Too bad while you were sleeping the voters elected a Kenyan, Marxist, Socialist, Nazi, Muslim, terrorist. Ha Ha Ha. You’re too stupid to know that Obama is the best friend capitalists could have.
    Obamacare will be a bonanza to private pharmacutical companies and other private health care providers.

    Yes Greece’s problems were caused by “socialism”. Bankers, unsound investments and wild speculation had nothing to do with it. Just like Republican de-regulation, bankers and mortgage companies had notheing to do with the US financial crisis.

  38. truther says:

    Obamacare will be a bonanza to private pharmacutical companies and other private health care providers.

    I couldn’t agree with you more. Take a look at his campaign finance reports and they tell the story.

  39. Nick E. Fresh says:

    Congrats, Pat. Both on the win and the hilarious fact that you got a tea party group to say good things about you during the election.

  40. Thanks for explaining your position Veronica, but I am confused about one term that you used:

    LGBTQI rights

    I understand what the first three stand for, what are the rest?

    Transgender, Queer, and Intersex

  41. You Socialists are something else, can’t even make your minds up about who your favorite Socialists were/are in history.

    Yeah, we’re diverse and respect one another’s right to free thought and don’t rely on dogma. Freedom of thought - such a scary thing to you for some reason.

    Claims that Cuba is not a Socialist country or that Socialists don’t want big government are comical. No wonder, for the most part, no one takes you seriously.

    Because they’re not your dogma, you find them comical. Big government, small government, it’s all spinning in America. Republicans fight for big government that tells you who you can marry, what religion you can believe in, what you can do with your body, and of course the largest part of the general fund by far, a military as large as the next 30+ countries combined, most of which are allies. Add to that the draconian assault on freedom of assembly, spying on our citizenry through the PATRIOT Act, and so on started by Bush and strengthened by Obama, the closet Republican, and it’s quite a big, intrusive government you are putting forward. Then, if we want to not be governed by our employers, who aren’t elected but just people who wield massive economic power, you want to stop the elected government from stopping it.

    Socialists in America have fought oppression for the past 100+ years, from both major parties, opposed the dictatorships of “Communist” nations, been on the forefront of every civil rights issue long back when it was considered nutty, and yet we’re supposedly the ones who favor big government.

    We favor democratic structures, which govern, but so that people have a say in their day to day lives instead of having it dictated to them (governed) from up on high by some guy who hasn’t done an honest day of work in his life but rather inherited a great fortune from his ancestors. We favor self-employment by any means necessary, whether it is an individual or a group working together in collective ownership and control, a partnership if you will, to sever the authoritative employer-employee relationship and ensure that every person receives the full value of their own labor.

    Government is what government does. If someone holds a gun to you and demands your wallet, they are governing you. When a parent disciplines a child, they are governing it.

    When it comes to the realm of economic life, government is around you at all times, whether it is formal or not. If the United States government dissolved tomorrow along with every state, county, and municipal government, there will still be the brutal governments of Walmart, Coca-Cola, Ford Motor Company, and so on. They tell their employees what they can do, when they can do it, tax them at a hefty 50-67% (the stolen value of their labor), and even now try to tell them what they can do in their private lives and force them to sign agreements so that if some warehouse worker comes up with a new flavor of pop at home, it belongs to the company, not the worker.

    We support democratic decision making in that economic arena where government is unavoidable and we support the separation of government in your personal life telling you how to dress, think, whether to go into the army (you still have to register you know), who you can sleep with, and so on. We don’t support big government, we support democratic government.

    Your collectivism is not wanted in a land where individual freedom, individual liberty, and individual property rights are revered. Yes that even means that individuals can own their own business, where you can do something novel and become gainfully employed while following the direction of that owner.

    We support stronger individual freedom and liberty. We support the private ownership of things, but not of the means of production. When someone owns a factory, they leech off of those who work there because the workers have to go to one of these leeches in this society, the amount of capital needed to compete is too large for the average worker to reasonably compete with GM or your local power company. So we oppose this theft and support the people banding together to prevent it.

    Of course being gainfully employed may interfere with your ability to participate in that idiotic and asinine “Occupy” movement that you Socialists seem to be so very proud of.

    Yes, it can interfere. So, remember: for every occupier out there, there are many more who would be there if they had the ability to be there at that moment.

  42. truther says:

    Transgender, Queer, and Intersex

    Thanks Veronica. So “transgender” means dressing in the clothes of the opposite sex or does it mean having something cut off or sewn on?

    Isn’t “queer” just a nasty name to call a gay person?

    What the hell is “intersex”? Is it like those Germans I read about who have “erotic zoos”?

    You must have pretty interesting meetings down there at Socialist Party HQ.

  43. truther says:

    Hey, don’t any of you have an opinion on Daniel DeLeon?

    I hope one of you remembers your history (and I mean your history).

  44. Donny Dee says:

    If the tea parties are so effective at electing socialists, why can’t they elect their own candidates (eg. Steve Lonegan, Bader Qarmout, Anna Little, Dave Larsen, just to name a few).

    BTW, how did that paragon of tea party virtue, Joe The Plumber, make out in his race for Congress?

  45. Andrew says:

    You mean the new Ohio 9th district? The one called “The Mistake by the Lake” due to gerrymandering? That was carved out to be a Democrat seat but Joe probably did no worse than Joe Kyrillos did here.

  46. Donny Dee says:

    Maybe Joe should have demanded to attend a Socialist Party meeting, then he would have won.

  47. Thanks Veronica. So “transgender” means dressing in the clothes of the opposite sex or does it mean having something cut off or sewn on?

    Isn’t “queer” just a nasty name to call a gay person?

    What the hell is “intersex”? Is it like those Germans I read about who have “erotic zoos”?

    You must have pretty interesting meetings down there at Socialist Party HQ.

    Transgender includes anyone who has a gender identification that crosses gender lines. There are a significant proportion of people who crossdress in private, there are those who do it in public, like myself, and of course there are those who actually become transsexual by taking hormones or even get sexual reassignment surgery.

    Queer refers to people who know they belong in the community but who don’t want to give a specific label to themselves, and those are people who are reclaiming the term in a positive light, such as with Yankee Doodle in the American Revolution (which was basically a British song calling American revolutionaries homosexuals). People are genderqueer, meaning they like to present themselves in a way that mixes masculinity and femininity, may consider themselves transgender or queer.

    Intersex refers to people with hermaphroditism of some sort or another.

    And though we do have some exciting meetings, for the type of person who is into such meetings, very few are held at the National Office. None of that has to do with people from the LGBTQI community attending, or at least not due to the fact that they’re part of the community. We move our National Committee meetings around the nation to be fair to the members from different areas and to give your average members more opportunity to attend.

    Hey, don’t any of you have an opinion on Daniel DeLeon?

    I hope one of you remembers your history (and I mean your history).

    I’m sure someone has a strong opinion on him, though I don’t know enough about him personally. The Socialist Party USA, successor to the Socialist Party of America, and the party that Pat Noble is a part of, does not revolve around a cult of personality. There are plenty of miniscule political cults out there who focus on some character from Russian history, Mao, or some living person such as how the Revolutionary Communist Party is a cult to Bob Avakian, but the Socialist Party is not one. We’re much more interested in ideas than individuals in history, and we’re a multi-tendency party at that, united by our principles, articulated by our Statement of Principles, and not we’re free to disagree, publicly and privately, beyond that. Your Russian leader cults are the ones that require everyone holding to the line. We are of an American socialist tradition, not some Soviet puppet.

  48. Draco Malfoy says:

    At least the kid is honest. He has the guts to declare what he is, a socialist. I wish that more people would come out of the closet and admit that they are socialists. Politicians from the New Jersey Assembly to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue are socialists, but deny that simple truth. The fact is that we are living in a socialist society already, and as a result the economy is in a shambles. Socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried. It is failing here.

  49. truther says:

    Thank you Veronica. Yes, the SLP newspaper did use DeLeon as a sort of cult-like figure. I’m glad to hear that you don’t approve of leader cults.

    Did you know that the Republican Party here in New Jersey is becoming one?

  50. Politicians from the New Jersey Assembly to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue are socialists, but deny that simple truth.

    I don’t think you understand what socialism is. There are very few elected socialists in the United States, Pat being one of them, I know the Socialist Party has one member elected to a local citizen’s council in Detroit, not to be confused with the city council, and we had a sewage commissioner in Florida - I don’t think other socialist groups have had anyone elected at all currently. In the past, we had Victor Berger who was denied his seat and some state seats in New York as well as the mayor of Milwaukee , Frank Zeidler, in the height of McCarthyism.

    Currently, in any significant office, the closest to a socialist is Bernie Sanders, and he is actually a social democrat, not calling for actual socialism. Bailouts and other forms of corporate welfare, which have been pushed by Bush and Obama, are not socialism, they’re corporatism, which as Mussolini put it, the joining of corporate and state power. It’s a fascist form of economics, not a socialist one in the least.

    Did you know that the Republican Party here in New Jersey is becoming one?

    I wouldn’t be horribly surprised, though I was not aware. The Tea Party seems to be a growing cult around Ayn Rand and I know the Democratic Party is currently a cult around Barack Obama - the denialism of his policies of putting corporations above people and various war crimes and violations of civil liberties fall on deaf ears.

    In part, this is the result of a media that focuses on a few key people in power who define what the acceptable scope of discourse is rather than discussing what average people or other viewpoints beyond the Democrats and Republicans are. The media tells people you support this group or this other group and no one else matters. You also have two giant political parties who are able to use the media to form solid central narratives for their side which people have now grown up with and accept as all that exists.

  51. Maura says:

    Sometimes a locale breaks away from the two party pack and develops a tradition of electing candidates from other parties. This happened in and around Reading in Berks County, Pennsylvania. A Socialist was elected to the State House of Representatives in 1910 (defeated 1912), another in 1914 (reelected 1916, defeated in 1918). Then another was elected in 1932, two were elected in 1934 (defeated in 1936).

    Maybe Monmouth County is on the threshold of such a development.

  52. John Strinka says:

    Congratulations, Pat! Your success is an inspiration. Knowing Pat as a very capable and articulate man, I think the citizens of Monmouth county will soon have good reason to congratulate themselves on a wise choice.

  53. Several points:

    1) Don’t blame Bayshore Tea Party for this guy’s election. I doubt that any of their members voted for him. They DID expose his philosophy, which has been reiterated on these pages.

    2) The socialists are right by saying that CNJ has done more to promote

  54. (continued)

    3) The right could have run a candidate against Mr. Noble…but didn’t.

    4) The Socialists don’t control the school board but are in danger of doing so. Perhaps the conservatives in Red Bank should get serious about their local elections. That includes having a good door-to-door campaign to convince people that we have better ideas. Mr. Noble stands for higher taxes without any kind of innovation in education…let’s see how the people of Red Bank feel about it.

    5) In a sense Mr. Noble did what we have been talking about…going local. It is time we did the same. It isn’t impossible. In fact…it is critical.

    6) It is about time that we conservatives realized that we are not the only ones who are passionate about government. In fact, the Socialists are like us in one way… they don’t like the way things are run. Their solutions are wrong. We need to get into the clubs, churches, and other venues to show how our solutions will work better. Remember what the TEA in Tea Party stands for and lets stay away from the social issues.

  55. Walter says:

    The socialists are right by saying that CNJ has done more to promote

    What a dumb ass! If blasting someone is “promoting” them then the entire tea party thing is about promoting Obama.

    Don’t blame Bayshore Tea Party for this guy’s election. I doubt that any of their members voted for him.

    Agreed BUT why didn’t they pay attention to their own backyard and run someone like Helene Henckel against Pat Noble?

    They DID expose his philosophy

    What a sucker! Nooooooo - what they did was provide the socialist with a respectful hearing and a platform from which he could promote his views. He gained stature from it and that is why he promoted his visit to Bayshore TP and he promoted it after the fact.

    Bayshore gave Noble valuable crediblity. If a socialist is someone reasonable enough to be invited to present his views before a conservative audience, then he can’t be all bad. Maybe he has a point. Maybe this socialism thing isn’t all bad. Maybe I’ll give it a try and vote for him.

    In fact, the Socialists are like us in one way… they don’t like the way things are run. Their solutions are wrong. We need to get into the clubs, churches, and other venues to show how our solutions will work better.

    See how it works. Even you are starting to like them. Next you will be lighting candles to Lennin.

    You sure do need to get into clubs, churches and other venues because the socialists are getting into yours. Do you think they will return the favor and invite Bayshore to their meeting?

    The socialists are right

    Maybe they just want to be invited into more mainstream settings to gain more credibility.

    Here is an idea. AFP is having a big meeting in Trenton on January 17. It is a public event being held to train people on how to lobby the elected representatives. Why don’t you invite the socialists?

    What the heck didn’t you say that it was a “fact” that “the Socialists are like us in one way… they don’t like the way things are run”? This is a big opportunity for AFP and the Socialist Party to join forces to change what you BOTH don’t like.

    I’ll bet those Koke brothers will be tickled pink about it.

  56. Walter says:

    It is about time that we conservatives realized that we are not the only ones who are passionate about government

    I think the Russian Revolution showed that socialists can be very passionate about government. Ditto the 1960s. Wake up.

  57. Walter says:

    There is a reason why the Democratic and Republcian parties fight like heck to prevent giving a platform to smaller parties at debates. They know that the fact is that just by giving a smaller party a platform to present its views you increase its credibility and gain it votes. You elevate its stature.

    Have any of you been reading Veronica on this string. If she stood between a Democrat and a Republican (tea party, mainstream, take your pick) she would absolutely get votes.

    I don’t get where Steve Lonegan is coming from on this. I heard he’s gone soft on illegal immigration, is he now a ballot reformer too?

    If that is what he wants to do, he should follow the link to Veronica’s page and contact her and ask her to come to Trenton on the Jan 17 for a united effort against the two parties.

    One of those Kokes was a libertarian candidate against Reagan in 1980 so they probably agree on the need for ballot reform so that in the 2016 presidential debates we have a Socialist candidate debating next to the two big parties and a Libertarian, Green party, and whoever wants to show up. It will be like one big tea party meeting.