NJ Liberals Introduce 18 Gun Control Bills Today

gun-controlEarlier today, in an abbreviated legislative session because of the Joint Session of the Legislature for Governor Christie’s State of the State Address, liberal New Jersey Democrats managed to introduce 18 new Gun Control bills in an effort to further deprive you of your 2nd Amendment right.

While the exact language of some of the bills will not be available until tomorrow at the earliest, the remainder will be available next week; the titles of them are scary enough.

All of them appear to be a massive expansion of Government intrusion into the private lives of law abiding New Jersey citizens and their families if you wish to exercise your 2nd Amendment right.  Until the specific language of the bills becomes available, presumably starting tomorrow, it is difficult to determine if any part of any of these bills will curb violence, much less gun violence; or even curtail criminal activity at all.

The 18 new bills and their titles are listed below.

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A-3645/S-2476  Requires ammunition sales and transfers be conducted as face-to-face transactions.

A-3646/S-2474  Establishes a regulatory system to govern the sale and transfer of ammunition.

A-3653 Criminalizes purchasing or owning weapon if person has previous conviction of unlawful possession of weapon.

A-3659 Revises definition of destructive device to include certain weapons of 50 caliber or greater.

A-3664 Reduces lawful maximum capacity of certain ammunition magazines in New Jersey.

A-3666/S-2465 Prohibits mail order, Internet, telephone, and any other anonymous method of ammunition sale or transfer in New Jersey.

A-3667 Requires mental health screening by licensed professional to purchase a firearm.

A-3668/S-2467 Prohibits investment by State of pension and annuity funds in companies manufacturing, importing, and selling assault firearms for civilian use.

A-3676 Requires psychological evaluation and in-home inspection as prerequisite to purchase firearm.

A-3687 Disqualifies person named on federal Terrorist Watchlist from obtaining firearms identification card or permit to purchase handgun.

A-3688 Requires mental health evaluation and list of household members with mental illness to purchase firearm.

A-3689 Requires security guards who carry weapons to wear certain uniform, including identification card.

A-3690/S-2430 Declares violence a public health crisis, recommends expansion of mental health programs, recommends federal adoption of gun control measures, and establishes “Study Commission on Violence.”

AJR-89 Urges President and US Senate to ratify Arms Trade Treaty proposed by United Nations.

AR-133 Expresses support for creation of task force on gun control led by Vice President Biden.

S-2464 Regulates sale and transfer of rifle and shotgun ammunition.

S-2475 Reduces maximum capacity of ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.

SR-92 Urges Congress to strengthen gun control laws.

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108 Comments

  1. Can you taste the FEAR coming out of Trenton? With this kind of flurry of activity all of a sudden and all at once, you just KNOW that they are trading on the blood of dead children to further their careers and to further infringe on the LEGITIMATE rights of New Jersey Citizens.

    Well, Fear Not! The New Jersey Second Amendment Society (NJ2AS) along with other like-minded organizations throughout what is left of our GREAT State, have VOWED to VEHEMENTLY oppose *ANY* AND *ALL* further gun control legislation that does not adequately distinguish between the Law-abiding individual and the criminal and criminally insane.

    We will not allow this legislation to pass through committee without FLOODING the hearing with planned, reasoned and SOUND opposition. We and the other Liberty groups will devote WHATEVER resources that are necessary to STOP this legislative nightmare dead in its tracks and to remove from office those offenders who trade our rights for their blood-covered votes.

    Let it be know here and now, that we call upon those FREEDOM-loving individuals on BOTH sides of the aisle who STILL believe in the BILL of RIGHTS, to join with us in stating their opposition to this mindless flurry of pandering bills.

    There will be a NATIONWIDE Rally on Friday February 8, 2013. The NJ2AS will be helping to coordinate the New Jersey rally to be held at the State House starting at 10:00 am. There will be speakers from every supporting group INCLUDING several members of the NJ State Legislature. This will be the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT event in New Jersey’s history. We plan to change the direction of NJ politics to include a RENEWED respect for the Constitution and the FUNDAMENTAL rights of man, granted to him NOT by governmental decree like in some Communist Hell Hole, but by VIRTUE OF HIS BIRTH! PLEASE JOIN US on Friday February 8, 2013 in the alcove in front of the Annex Building at 125 State Street in Trenton. For additional information and to register, please visit this LINK!

    THIS WILL BE A PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION OF OUR COMMITMENT TO THE RIGHTS PROTECTED BY THE SECOND AMENDMENT. EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN THE RIGHT OF THE INDIVIDUAL TO PROTECT HIS OR HER LIFE, LIBERTY AND PROPERTY, AND THAT OF THEIR LOVED ONES IS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE. iF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED ON THE SPEAKING ROSTER, PLEASE CONTACT ME AT PRESIDENT@NJ2AS.COM.
    THANK YOU

    Frank Jack Fiamingo
    President - NJ2AS
    “NOW IS THE TIME!!!”

  2. Mike says:

    I’m a gun owner and the a lot of those don’t bother me. I say let them do a mental health check on me. Check me out, inside and out and when you are done, leave me alone and let me conceal carry!

  3. Mark D Quick says:

    AJR-89 Urges President and US Senate to ratify Arms Trade Treaty proposed by United Nations.

    Can’t do it by law do it by treaty…..
    How aboiut we arrest and deport the Illegal Aliens bringing drugs into our state….. How many did they kill today…. or harm or make an American family go without a meal??????

  4. Chubby says:

    Mike: Getting a psych eval will just result in the State saying you’re paranoid for wanted CCW, thus you will be denying ANY firearm rights…..time for you to get with it.

  5. CoCoJo says:

    Shall Not Be Infringed.

    Period.

  6. Down here in South Carolina we don’t have to worry about a bunch of liberal morons taking our 2nd Amendment rights away from us. Here is where I will be this weekend.

    http://www.mkshows.com/default.asp

  7. Will says:

    Chubby, if someone voluntarily gets a psych exam, I see what u are saying. If the state requires it and everyone has to get one in order to own a gun, and you pass it then what’s the problem? The only part that is sketchy is the criteria used to determine what is stable or not. But I don’t want mentally unstable people having guns and I’m sure u don’t either. Get with it

  8. OkieRim says:

    @ Richard Zuendt, same for me in Oklahoma, not one county in Oklahoma has voted for democrats for the past 2 presidential elections and we a pretty gun friendly.

    The problem is, those crazy liberal states have some very powerful, liberal demorats, so any progress in preserving 2nd Amendment rights in those states is good for all of us.

    The better they, the better we all do…

  9. District 39 Victim says:

    We need the name of the Liberal moron in NJ who is sponsoring crap to support the United Nations. He/ She needs to be exposed. What is the point of having a 2nd amendment foundation if we cant embarrass these Anti American creeps ?

  10. Vince says:

    Yes, I am seeing alot of hype laws. I highly doubt any of these would pass. They cannot block commerce in a free society. If you try banning internet sales of ammo, then you can ban internet sales of anything. Mental health checks are already done. More hype and BS out of Trenton. Crap like this makes me want to pack my family up, and our huge tax bills and go somewhere just across the river…

  11. GOVERNMENT
    “A body of men/(WOMEN)/ holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody.”
    ― Thomas Paine

    Please be strong my Brothers and Sisters although I wont make it there I will be making it down here in Florida and making my voice heard along with the rest of us willing to do the same ,
    This is not only for us but for our posterity.

    God Bless The United States of America and all of You.

    No retreat no surrender.

    Godspeed.

  12. Chubby says:

    Will, you actually believe you would pass a State mandated psych eval to own a firearm, where it is in the States best interest to clamp down on private gun ownership? You think those evaluators are gonna buck the system that signs their paychecks? Get with it.

  13. mike says:

    COLD ! DEAD ! HANDS !

  14. CoCoJo says:

    Chubby: I’m with you.
    Mike: Sorry, but you’re naive.

  15. CoCoJo says:

    PS:
    That would be the “evaluate my mind” Mike.

    “Cold Dead Heads” Mike - Right.

  16. jim says:

    iwhat if the person giving the psy exam does not like guns you will never pass .hey why not let the police hold our guns and we have to request to use them i am sure you will never see them again. nj has some of the worst gun laws on the books now and the crimmals still get guns the law abiding person is about to be screwed again by people who know nothing about the laws or guns.

  17. Jim says:

    I believe we entered the realm of Nazi Germany, Communist Soviet Union! Half of these so called bills are already in NJ State Law! What do the do for us in Trenton except steal from our pockets. Do they know how to read? They are wiping their butts with the US Constitution!

  18. Owen says:

    @Mike: the proposed measures don’t bother you and you would volunteer yourself for a state psych exam…to own a gun? Really?

    Who are you? You need to have your head examined. Nothing to stop you scheduling yourself for a private examination. From a friend: do it now — you badly need it.

  19. dave says:

    Some if not most of this garbage unfortunately will get passed because the deck is stacked by the anti- gun liberal bs politicians here in fascist NJ. I lived in NM, AZ, TX and PA. FREE STATES!!! None of this could even get in the door of their state house. Dont think these idiots in Trenton haven’t done their homework. They Know what they can sneak into law.

  20. I’ll go to their doctors for a psy exam if they (lawmakers) go to my proctologist. He has very big hands!!!! This is the best we can find to represent the people. What a bunch of morons. I think the people have had enough…..You in Trenton are no longer relevant.

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  22. Kevin says:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

  23. Avi says:

    LAW OF THE LAND
    The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of
    law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and
    any statute, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for a law, which violates the
    Constitution to be valid. This is succinctly stated as follows:
    “All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.” Marbury vs. Madison, 5
    US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)
    “When rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or
    legislation which would abrogate them.” Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491.
    “An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no
    protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never
    been passed.” Norton vs. Shelby County 118 US 425 p. 442
    “The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is
    in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality
    dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding
    it.
    “No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.” 16
    Am Jur 2nd, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256

  24. Rick Bedford says:

    Do we know how someone gets put on the terrorist watch list? Some say if you buy bulk ammo or prepper supplies, you can find yourself on that list. How does NJ intend on doing psych checks while maintaining Federally mandated HIPAA guidelines on Health Info protection if they plan on making it public to state officials or FFLs, ammo sales facilities etc? What do we do with people who take depression meds like the rest of the country needed or not? How about ADD and ADHD meds? Do they surrender their 2nd amendment rights even though they have never been a threat to themselves or others? Does someone get denied their 2nd amendment rights if someone in their house is on those type of meds? Grandpa has alzheimers, sorry no handgun purchasing permit for you! As it is now, you need to be an elected official or Law Enforcement Officer to get a CCW in NJ. Do I the taxpayer, need to pay for the new govt employees to cover all this added “PROTECTION”. Getting a firearms purchasing card after doing your paperwork, accompanied by a clean bill of health from a Healthcare professional would be fine. How does the state plan on dealing with the multitude of people who already have their cards? I am sure they will find a way to get more money out of people simply wanting to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. It sounds like the new proposed bills should fit right in line with the rest of NJs ludicrous gun legislation. I AM MOVING BACK TO Pennsylvania.

  25. @Alex. says:

    How about mental health evaluation of any lib elected to a public service position, as well as evaluation of members of his family and a dog. Also evaluation of his/her parents who raised a libtard.

  26. watchdog says:

    A lot of those assembly bills already have senate bills attached. Those are the ones that will fly through and become laws in a blinl of an eye. Never, Never trust anyone unless they with draw the Bill totally. This is an election year and the pro gun people better get out and speak up and vow to remove them from office if they vote for any of these bills. Its time every one to stand up to all these big headed elected officials. And better yet STOP VOTING FOR THEM.

  27. Ralph says:

    Guys, relax…and lets think rationally. Even if any of these hyper-draconian bills were to be passed by the legislature, does anyone believe Christie would sign them into law? He will more than likely win re-election this November, and hopes to run for the Presidency in 2016. (we know he really would like to be president) If he were to sign or in any way speak approvingly of these bills, that would eliminate any chance of a Republican primary victory for him -he’d possibly lose every southern and midwest state! Lets hope for the best in this Liberal cesspool we call a state.

  28. watchdog says:

    I am going out and buying all the ammo I can find. My mission now is to see how much I can get before its against the law.

  29. watchdog says:

    Sorry Ralph, But what Christie does here in NJ will have no effect on him if he runs for President in 2016. What he does here will have no effect any where else in the country. And you forget Americans have a short memory. I am sure the State psych evaluation doctor would agree with you and then deny you for your firearms.

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  31. bandroidx says:

    Mike and others who say they dont mind a mental health exam. ARE YOU FRIGAN INSANE?

    I work with these “mental health professionals” and let me tell you something, they are THE MOST anti-gun people out there. Like 99%+ of them HATE guns and want them BANNED. If that law is passed, it will basically end gun ownership in NJ with a single bill.

    “You want a gun yet you dont hunt? You must be crazy”
    “You bought 1000 rounds of ammo last year? You must be planning something”
    “You and your girlfriend broke up last year? You might be depressed and go after her”
    and on and on it goes.

    Write your representatives NOW. We need to pressure Christie too. And dont depend on a Christie Veto, they might have enough votes to overcome that, you never know!

  32. Julio says:

    Jersey born resident, been handling firearms since I was 9, father tought me the great values of hunting and being a great sportsman. If there going to pass any laws making the purchasing of a firearm harder than they are, I believe after meeting all the requirements, they should give you the option to conceal carry if you wish! I am a gun collector, hunter, pilot and all around sportsman. Age 48 .. God Bless us all And Join the NRA!!!! See you in Trenton!

  33. watchdog says:

    If any one here on this blog is not a member of the NJ2AS yet you might want to join the society. For a mear $35.00 a yeay It will be much cheaper than the mental health exam you may have to get if these bill pass. And by joining them in Trenton on Feb 8th will show how strong we can be. We have1 million gun owners in NJ and if we all show up in Trenton would shake them up.

  34. backwardsnj says:

    This should be a lesson to all….

    Becareful who you vote for.

    Now that the horse is out of the barn you want to complain? Where have you been before the storm? Now you will have to work twice as hard to keep YOUR GOD-given birth Rights that our Founding Fathers fought and died for….Rights, Freedoms and Liberties that they gave to all of us in a written guarantee that protected ALL of US from a tyrannical government. It was OUR responsibility to appreciate and bequeathe the Bill of Rights to the next generation as they did for us.

    Complacently is a big problem in our society, especially in NJ where voters reward these anti-gun/anti-hunting anti-Constitutional/American liberal democrats over and over again.

    As leaders, they have failed in their communtiy because the only solutions they have are to raise taxes and place restrictions on law-abiding citizens. They will place NO blame on criminals, illegals or themselves.

    This is NOT about guns.

    This is about dismantling the Constitution.

    The liberal democrats have been attacking the First & Second Amendment for decades. They attempted to remove religion from of our schools, currency and off our building that our Founding Fathers had inscribed and crafted in beautiful architetcure so no generation would forget how this nation was founded.

    And what did they replace it with?
    gay marrage and legalizing drugs as a priority and people wonder why the younger generation is confused and there is a problem. Amazing.

    The Bill of Rights is like a fire-extingusher.
    Better to have them and not need them….
    then to need them and not have them.

    The best thing you can do now is join and promote the NRA and NJ2AS and pray it’s not too late.

    Unity and Activism is the key….

  35. NJDruid says:

    Just a bunch of ass-sniffing political dogs out to see who can one-up the next guy. They all need to see what’s it like to have a real job, and live as one of the citizens that they get off on having under their thumbs.

  36. backwardsnj says:

    Make no mistake:

    When obama says “we have more work to do”

    he is NOT talking about jobs.

    he is talking about dismantling the Constitution.

    In his own words he has said:

    “This is not a Christian nation”

    “The Constitution is a flawed document”

    “The Constitution keeps getting in our way”

    “he wants to appoint justices of EMPATHY”

    All attacks on the First & Second Amendment.

    The two MOST important Amendments but also the two most controversial. They see this as an open door. They are looking for Constitutional loop holes.

    If obama gets to appoint any more liberal justices you can guarantee they will reverse the Hellar vs D.C. case and the McDonald vs Chicago case.

    People have NO idea what is at stake here.

    This has NOTHING to do with guns.

    It’s about dismantling the Constitution and sa he said in his own words “transform” America.

    They seem to have forgotten they took an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution and should be held accountable.

    They have ALL their ducks in a row because of complacent voters in America.

    This is it….

    United We Stand

    divided we fall

  37. backwardsnj says:

    they have only two solutions:

    raise taxes (because it’s not there money)

    and place restrictions on law-abiding citizens.

    Notice how they only talk about guns?

    What if there were no guns in the world?

    The shooter in Colorado could have been a brain surgeon. Would you let him work on your brain?

    If you ban all guns in the world would that prevent road rage or accidents? rapes? stabbings? kidnappings? tragedies like when you hear about a mother who killed her child.

    Notice how they don’t talk about making our society better?

    As Romeny said in the debate:

    “Raising a more loving, caring, less violent generation.”

    The liberals/democrats are trying to save the world by killing America.

  38. Mark D Quick says:

    I forgot,
    Alison McHose has a billl against the UN Gun Treaty. I tried to make the UN Gun Treaty an issue for last years election. To many people from Tea Party Groups and Republican’s (RINO’s) thought it was not werth fighting over or making it an issue. Now these same people are quiet or don’t want to speakout against this because of the TIMING…. Sadly events happen but the fight must not be lost because of being afraid to stand up NOW..
    Give an inch they will take a mile….

  39. Chubby says:

    Voting them out isn’t really an option? Why you ask? Because there isn’t any alternative. This State is composed of little political machines in every county, and only the right ‘type’ of people get campaign support. Think I’m wrong? Just how wrong can I be when the progs/Dems complain of the exact same thing.

  40. Tom says:

    Vote each and every member who votes for this OUT of OFFICE in November!!!! NO Questions Ask!!!!!

    This is how we show our Support for these new Bills!!!!

    Do they make new laws such as these when someone get’s in a car and kills someone???? NO… Perhaps they should, plenty of unstable people drive cars etc…

  41. Ann says:

    TAKE NOTE: EVERY PERSON on the face of this planet can be diagnosed with some mental disorder by the DSM. Diagnostic Statistical Manual used by the health profession to give a mental health diagnosis. This proposed bill has the potential to remove the rights of every person to own firearms!!!!

  42. charles says:

    Where are the names of the criminal loving politions who sumbmited these bills and wheres the phone number for the nj senate office??

  43. charles says:

    Phone# for NJ office of legislative services. please call and send this number to your friends!! 800-792-8630

  44. Mike says:

    Right away they want to inforce the UN gun treaty, that’s going to to bad if that ones through, and an In house eval. That’s some serious invasion of privicy

  45. Mike says:

    When will they realize that it is not just about guns, but the whole jail system, it is no longer feared or looked upon as a deterrent to crime. It is a place to get three meals a day, heat when it’s cold, ac when it’s hot. A place to socialize with like minded individuals, a place to network and make plans for the future. Those plans being devious to say the least, with new found ideas and methods learned while getting a GED, or higher education. It costs a tremendous amount of money to incarcerate a convicted criminal, and that criminal does not have any obligation to pay towards that cost. Make Jail tougher, a less than pleasant experience and the word will get out there, and maybe folks will think about committing a crime before they do it. In all, there are plenty of laws, they just need better enforcement, and more serious consequences.

  46. Pete says:

    We’d all be safer if politicians were required to have mental health checks before being sworn into office.

  47. Bill Cantor says:

    Most if not all of these are already laws. This shows how disconnected they are from reality. It’s like they all realize the tragedy’s value is nearing an end and everyone is trying to jump on the hill for one last ride…regardless of relevance.

    Example:

    How is buying ammo online “anonymous”? You have to provide name, address, phone, credit card info, etc. Buying in a sporting goods store can be done with cash.

    You can’t fix stupid.

    Never let a crisis go to waste.

    I’m embarrassed to have other countries see what we call “leaders” in action.

  48. Tommy says:

    In most states, this stuff would be mere legislative flatulence.
    Here in New Jersey - the Regulated State - its a dangerous threat.
    I wish I lived in South Carolina, PA, or anywhere else BUT here in this nutty state.

  49. watchdog says:

    Lets see how many firearms owners will take the time to go to Trenton when these bills go to committee and voted on. If every firearms owner testifies in front of the committee they have to sit there and listen to your testomony. It would be like detention for the committee members who will have to just sit there and listen. There 15 min committee meeting could last all day or days if enough people go and testify. rember its your responcibilty to protect your rights. WE THE PEOPLE every one of us. They work for us not themselves.

  50. Mike Magliacane says:

    I believe most politicians could give 2 shits about most of the legislation they try to push. I’ve always believed them to be selfservant in their actions. Their actions again proove they know nothing much about firearms, so, they believe, to push this stuff through would lead them to political gain. Do any of you actually think they actually give a shit? I cringe with the thought of them sitting at their friggin desk that I kinda paid for, thinking up all the anti-gun stuff. I will be there on Friday, Feb 8. Semper Fi!!

  51. njmotorcop says:

    This is not surprising at all. Traditionally, almost all of NJ’s politicians have been subversive whores like these. It’s time to leave NJ and move to America. Let NJ die the slow painful death that it’s manipulative liberals have set it up for.

    On another point, it is clear that NJ’s subjects aren’t responsible enough to own firearms. For irrefutable proof of this fact just look at their election results!

  52. Lee Greb says:

    Has anyone compared gauge to caliber? If not, I believe the following will a surprise for clay and wing shooters.
    12 gauge is .729 caliber
    20 gauge is .614
    28 gauge is .556.

    .410 (caliber) shot shell would be the only legal gauge if .50 caliber or larger ammo is banned.

  53. watchdog says:

    Everyone has to start calling and oposing these bills. A lot of these bill are all submitted by the same induvituals all Democrats. We need to get the word out and call them everyday and opose these bills. Tell them to work on taxes, jobs, bringing back industry and doing away of public assistance, and intiltements. And most of all political corruption!

  54. kimbare says:

    They want to inspect my home?

  55. DrPhrogg says:

    More people die of vehicle accidents than by guns. Included in this inane list should be a requirement that you must have a mental health evaluation of obtain or renew a drivers license, or to buy alcohol in NJ. Drunk Drivers and Road Rage are still a bigger threat than guns.

  56. PMC says:

    So many infringements here…do not overlook the disqualification of Terrorist Watchlist names, as there are over 1 million names as of 2009 on list and 20k added per MONTH. Once you fight in court to clear your good name, they still wont take it off !!…Liberty, once lost is lost forever. John Adams

  57. John says:

    OK….I can live with extensive background checks,even if they require an NRA Basic Pistol Safety Course for those purchasing handguns, HOWEVER, if that becomes the requirement then those citizens who pass these requirements should be granted CONSEAL CARRY! A person should have the ability to protect themself and their family both inside and outside the home. I DO NOT support extensive checks and regulations if when you pass and follow them you can’t carry your handgun!

  58. victor says:

    They will not be happy until they make Criminals out of all of us!

  59. Here we go with 18 knee-jerk bills authored by persons who probably never read the Constitution nor studied comments by the authors of the Constitution. New Jersey already has sufficient gun laws on the books.

  60. JDS says:

    Embarrassing for NJ. These people are insane.

  61. Fred says:

    In light of the recent ferry accident on the Atlantic Highlands to wall street, I’m sure our LIBERAL DEMOCRATES should be issuing bills to outlaw ferries…

  62. John Acovino says:

    at age 67 I take comfort in the knowledge that I don’t have long to live in this Hell that was created by Liberal Democrat Traitors

  63. Ronald says:

    None of this is OK!! Give them an inch and they take a mile.
    NOT ONE INCH!!! Contact your representitaves and tell them this is not acceptable. Don’t compromise on your rights or your childrens rights. Stand up or lie down.
    I choose to stand.

  64. creep says:

    put me on the “Cold Dead Hands” list

  65. watchdog says:

    To put everything in prespective The Assembly voted and passed on 1-8-13 that on January 11 of each year shall be designated “Clarence Clemons Day” in the State of New Jersey in recognition of the many accomplishments of Clarence Clemons and his artistic contributions to this State. The Governor is requested to annually issue a proclamation calling upon public officials and citizens of this State to observe “Clarence Clemons Day” with appropriate activities and programs.
    Sen. 12/20/2012 - 3RDG FINAL PASSAGE - Yes {37} No {0} Not Voting {3}
    1/8/2013 Received in the Assembly, Referred to Assembly State Government Committee
    I guess without this important resolution the Stone Pony might go bust.

  66. walter quirk says:

    will there be buses

  67. backwardsnj says:

    Vote them out?

    You had a rare opportunity in 2010 to vote them ALL out and make a HUGE difference in NJ.

    Nobody cared.

  68. backwardsnj says:

    Complacenency is your enemy.

    Unity and Activism is the key….

  69. backwardsnj says:

    Remember when obama said:

    “we have more work to do”

    he was NOT talking about jobs

    he was talking about taking away your Rights

    dismantling the Constitution

    If Christie backs him….he is as bad as oboma

  70. Mike says:

    For those who believe the Psych exam or home inspection can be used to rig a false failure, If all or most applicants fail these requirements, a case can be made that the examiners are falsifying testimony and lose their licenses, if the rules of determination are such that they are impossible to meet, they can be addressed & revised through legal action. However, this country needs to wake up and stop knee jerking. That is the most dangerous thing we have to worry about.

  71. sungunner says:

    I read some prior comments regarding some of the bills sounding reasonable and supportable, especially when it comes to mental health language. Although I have the same initial reaction, I also know that the devil will be in the details based on both the specificity and the vagueness of the bill’s text. Examples: The requirement for a “licensed professional” to perform an evaluation does not show us who would be qualified to do that, how much it will cost the gun applicant, the leadtime for appointment (which could be weeks) and what the criteria for approval, denial or challenge would be. The bill requiring an “in-home” evaluation is tantamount to be forced to surrender your right against search and seizure, and more subjective scrutiny, plus the same concern over who performs the task. We also don’t yet see detail in the ammunition purchases, and what constitutes an excessive purchase reportable to the police. I don;t know about you, but it is not uncommon for me to buy cases of 1000 rounds for range use or classes. Would I have police contacting me every time this happens? Every one of these bills described will likely contain some defect that would be interpreted by the A.G. or court to the detriment of the gun owner.

  72. Berwyn C. Rodgers says:

    What if all one million of us gun owners here in NJ did only one thing to stand up for our 2A Rights? What would be the single, most effective lawful action that each of us could take? Please comment. Thank you.

  73. [...] know what’s in the Garden State gun grabbers’ bills until later today. But Rob Eichmann [via conservativenewjersey.com] reports that NJ Democrats have introduced 18—count ‘em 18—gun control bills yesterday. [Full [...]

  74. Gregory Katz says:

    I am a responsible gun owner and I have no problems with any of the above legislation and if your’re not a criminal or terrorist then you should not either. It’s time for NRA to step down and accept responsible gun legislation. No one needs semi- auto or auto assault riffles, nor magazines over 10 rounds. No one is taking away you 2nd admendment rights. It’s all propaganda from the NRA and the gun manufactures that are unhappy to see there profits dwindle when things are regulated like they should be.

  75. Gregory Katz says:

    To all you conservative rednecks out there go hide under the rock from which you came. better yet take that gun of yours and put it in your mouth because us liberals progressives are here to stay. I don’t want to be in a world where I have to watch my back every second because everyone is carrying. I am a gun owner and a Parent and the sickos that are obscessed with guns have given the level headed gun owners a bad name and just feed off the NRA’s bullshit. The 2nd admendment does not need to be defended like it has been. No one is comming for you and your guns. Stop the fucking paranoia already.

  76. backwardsnj says:

    You want the government to tell you how to live your life?

    And tell you what you can and can not have?

    The same obama administration responsible for Operation Fast & Furious which resulted in the death/murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

    The same obama administration that used an executive order to hide the truth and protect eric holder.

    The same administraion that will NOT place any blame on illegals or criminals.

    the same eric holder you can watch in a 1995 youtube video that said “they must brain wash kids against guns seven days a week in OUR schools and in OUR churches?”

    the same administration that took an oath to UPHOLD the Constitution they are now trying to destroy.

  77. watchdog says:

    Gregory Katz Please take all your firearms to the nearest church in Camdon, Plainfiels, or Jersey City and get your $200.00 gift card. You sound like a very unstable person and should not be trusted to own a firearm.

  78. backwardsnj says:

    Here is the real problem in America.

    It wasn’t too long ago when the parent would teach THEIR children right from wrong and good from bad.

    Then the church would re-enforce what the parents taught their kids.

    And the schools would re-enforce both what the parents and the churches taught the kids.
    Good from bad. Right from wrong.

    Now because of the liberal progressive gay worthless (almost all democrats) the schools go against the what the parents and the church teach their children.

    The liberal progressives have taken the foundation out of the childs life and replaced it with evil by attacking the First Amendment and the Second Amendement for decades. That’s why you have a problem in America.

    The liberal progressives attacked GOD and replaced religion and good morals with gay marraige and legalizing drugs becuase they want everyone to be as screwed up and as miserable as they are..

    I would tell ALL progressive liberals where to go on this website but won’t step down to their worthless sad little trashy world.

  79. backwardsnj says:

    COLUMBINE STUDENT’S FATHER

    Guess our national leaders didn’t expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott,
    the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School
    shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House
    Judiciary Committee’s subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders
    during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

    They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well.
    It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician,
    everysociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These
    courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and
    deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice
    crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:

    “Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts
    of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of
    violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the
    deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must
    not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

    “The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel
    out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it
    the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the
    reason for the murder could only be found in Cain’s heart.

    “In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how
    quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a
    member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not
    here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don’t believe that they
    are responsible for my daughter’s death. Therefore I do not believe that
    they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with
    Rachel’s murder I would be their strongest opponent

    I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy — it was
    a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real
    blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame
    lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a
    poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

    Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
    Your words are empty air.
    You’ve stripped away our heritage,
    You’ve outlawed simple prayer.
    Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
    And precious children die.
    You seek for answers everywhere,
    And ask the question “Why?”
    You regulate restrictive laws,
    Through legislative creed.
    And yet you fail to understand,
    That God is what we need!

    “Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and
    spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we
    create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak
    havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for
    most of our nation’s history. Many of our major colleges began as
    theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us
    as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the
    doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as
    Columbine’s tragedy occurs — politicians immediately look for a scapegoat
    such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that
    contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not
    need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by
    metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months
    planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own
    hearts.

    “As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his
    two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in
    school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge
    every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on
    April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our
    schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain.
    Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for
    legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To
    those of you who would point your finger at the NRA — I give to you a
    sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the
    first stone! My daughter’s death will not be in vain! The young people of this country
    will not allow that to happen!”
    - Darrell Scott

  80. backwardsnj says:

    NJ politicians are embarrassing to this nation.

  81. Rob Eichmann says:

    @Greg,

    You are not responsible. You are ready willing and able to give up your right.

    The NRA needs to step up and continue to advocate for the FREE exercise of the Bill Of Rights. The 2nd Amendment is the only one that protects the other nine.

    The only paranoia appears to be yours. Your vitriol and ludicrous rantings against those that support all 10 Amendments in the Bill Of Rights simply shows that you are not a voice of reason or able to comprehend that criminals are to blame for their actions.

    You don;t have the balls to own a gun, and certainly don’t have the balls to stand up for the right to use one.

  82. truther says:

    I don’t want to be in a world where I have to watch my back every second because everyone is carrying.

    Katz is a rich punk who doesn’t have to live in place where you do have to watch your back every second. He should move to Trenton, get a woman, and then stand back and be a victim when the home invasion happens and the cops show up 10 minutes too late.

    Oh, wish I’d been a man and she’d still be here, right Katz?

  83. dave says:

    Welcome to NJ where only cops and criminals carry guns. Oh, I forgot to mention the $8 an hour mall cop / atm stuffers.

  84. backwardsnj says:

    Maybe he doesn’t know the front of the gun from the back of the gun and might get hurt because he is mentally challenged and incompetent himself?

    Guess that would also explain why the liberal progressives have such a compulsion to push gay marraige. Very confused group. Seems like they’re lost.

    Well, they could always put a sign on their door saying “this is a gun free home and they have no way of defending themselves.”

    They seem to like their entitlements, handouts and relying on government. Some day they will realize most phone calls to the police are after the fact when it’s too late.

    Nothing against law-enforcement but I have yet to see or hear of an incident where the victim called the police and scheduled an appointment in advance to be there when their home was invaded or robbed.

    Liberal progressives seem to live in a make believe world….

  85. truther says:

    Check the police response times for any of NJ’s big cities. Time enough for a criminal to hunt down a single mom and her kids.

    Not to worry. Response times are better where rich liberals live. They have gated communities and building doormen. If you are really rich (or a celebrity) you get an armed guard. Then you can think like Katz does.

  86. backwardsnj says:

    Has anyone here ever been to a state where everyone can carry?

    Where you here the local Sheriff talk about taking their young sons and daughters hunting and fishing on the weekend?

    Where spending quality family time in the outdoors is a family tradition?

    Where the young children get along so well you can hear the happiness and enjoyment in theri voice?

    Where you can trust a young person with a rifle?

    A place NOT like NJ where you can’t even trust your school children with a plastic fork….

    A place like NJ where the politicians have NO real solutions other than raising taxes, insurance premiums and placing restrictions on law-abiding citizens.

    A place like NJ where they close their eyes to criminals and illegals in places like elizabeth, newark, trenton and camden only to place more restrictions on good law-abiding citizens who live in other crime free places between Cape May and High Point.

    Is that why NJ is known NATIONWIDE as the garbage state because of the incompentent politicians how have faild in their communities because they want to be politically correct and are too scared to address the real problems and solutions in N.J.

    Remember this:
    Columbine, VA Tech, Auroura CO and Newtown CT were ALL GUN FREE ZONES where good law-abiding citizens were UNARMED unable to defend themselves, their families, friends and children they were RESPONSIBLE for.

    20 Years ago you could have gone anywhere in the WORLD and asked where Detroit was? And ANYWHERE in the WORLD people knew. Detroit? That is the Automobile Capitol of the WORLD.

    The liberal anti-gun/anti-hunting, anti-Constitution, anti-American progressive democrats turned Detroit into a broken down, disgraceful ghetto….

    Now they are trying to save the world by destroying America.

  87. HD2000FXDL says:

    These are insane and not one of these and 99% of the gun laws that are on the books here and across the country do anything to stop criminals from committing crimes with guns, all they do is take away OUR RIGHT to defend ourselves.

    Remember, without the 2A, there are no others!!

    Funny thing is the 2A was put there to stop exactly these type of things from happening, wonder what would happen to us if we started to just disregard the laws of the land, and when did politicians become exempt from abiding by them without penalty?

    I urge everyone to act now, make sure you don’t wait for the next person to do something, you do it. Make sure regardless how you feel about them and what they may or may not have done for NJ, but the NRA is the big boy on the block and without them we probably wouldn’t be even talking about this because there would be no need by now. If your not a member join, it’s a must, the NJ2AS is also a great local organization as well as many of the others.

  88. Tea party Jane says:

    It’s all about the quality of the politicians you endorse stupid

  89. [...] Earlier today, in an abbreviated legislative session because of the Joint Session of the Legislature for Governor Christie’s State of the State Address, liberal New Jersey Democrats managed to introduce 18 new Gun Control …  [...]

  90. [...] There are 18 gun control bills introduced in the New Jersey legislature. Some of them are predictabl…. [...]

  91. Ed Comeau says:

    I moved out of NJ to NH, because the State has completely fallen into the hands of tyrants. All the gun control in NJ has done nothing to prevent crime. The gangs will not be effected by any gun control laws. Isn’t it strange that the government is trying to grab our guns so close to the time that the dollar will collapse. Also, are we going to let a gang of corrupt self involved narcissist control our guns when they are screwing us behind our backs in Washington.

  92. bergenmad says:

    Thank you DrPhrogg. Shit or get off the pot. I need to get the # of child deaths due to vehichles. I have a 5 year old, I cryed, and will be forever be saddened over the tradgedy. So sensless, so cowardly. If you realy want to save lives, childerens lives ban cars, drive under 5mph laws, let them check out you home to get mental health to drive. If the criminal or insane have to walk to the crime scene the most likely will lose interest or at least be seen on the bus. Driving is a privilege. Take my car, I will give you my guns…….Yea, I didn’t think so.

  93. Nancy says:

    The current administration is sure fired bent on attacking our 2nd Ammement rights. If what eventulally is passed is that there will be background checks for every hand gun ower and a registry then certainly there should be no reason not to issue those passing such requirements a conseal carry! As a model citizen why can I not have the abilty to protect myself and family outside my home? I stongly feel that our lawmakers are partially responsible for those injured in situations where having a hand gun to protect themselves (or family) could have prevented personal injury but they were denied the abity to protect themselves (conseal carry not allowed).by the laws these lawmakers passed.Cosidering the the “Fast and Furious’ feasco some of the administration’s position on gun restrictions is to say the least hipocritical. Don’t like a national registry but for responsible citizens there should be a national right to carry!

  94. Jeff says:

    God Bless Texas

  95. District 39 Victim says:

    Stop rino Republicans in D 38 from nominating gun grabbers and pro amnesty career politicians like Driscoll and Alonso

  96. backwardsnj says:

    Since the media is once again trying to slant the truth and mislead the public I must forward this to your attention:

    In regards to the Colorado Theatre TRAGEDY I would like to point out some of the facts the media will not tell or report to the public.

    The media and anti-gun democrats are trying to gather PUBLIC SUPPORT by using an AR.

    “AR” stands for….ARMALITE Rifle….
    NOT assault or automatic rifle.

    The media is making this out to be some sort of super powerful Military weapon that has these tremendous ballistics that should in no way be owned by the average person.

    But this is simply NOT true.

    Here are the facts about an AR “style” firearm that fires a .223 bullet taken from the Colorado Hunting Rules and Regulations digest:

    (The Theatre Tragedy in Aurora Colorado and Columbine Tragedy in Littleton Colorado were both in the same state where these regulations are enforced.)

    Regulation #203 - MANNER OF TAKE
    A. The following are legal methods of take for ALL specie Any method of take NOT listed herein shall be PROHIBITED, except as otherwise provided by statute or these regulations:

    1. Rifles using center fire cartridges of .24 caliber or larger.

    See the facts are here —

    In Colorado and MOST states it is ILLEGAL to hunt deer with a SMALL bore .223 caliber rifle.

    The .223 is NOT a high power rifle.

    The .223 is NOT a large bore caliber.

    It should NOT be used for hunting ANY game larger than rabbits or coyotes.

    It is considered underpowered and unethical to hunt deer and other big game with a .223 caliber rifle.

    This is the same .223 caliber AR the media is using to stir up trouble in regards to the Aurora Colrado and Newtown Connecticut Tragedy(s). The media is using the .223 AR to gather public support and use as another opportunity to ban firearms from law-abiding citizens to take away their Liberties of Law-Abiding Citizens in America.

    Thye have been attacking the First and Second Amendment for decades and now have ALL their ducks in a row. pelosi, biden, obama, Failed Operation Fast & Furious holder, bloomberg, kerry. You know who they are….

    The media is misleading the public and using the .223 AR as a “weak link” by slanting the truth.

    If you can ban a .223 you can ban anything. Any hunting, competition or recreational firearm. And the ability to protect and defend your family, community or country.

    Futhermore, Police use the .223 for several reasons. The ammo is light weight and easier to carry. It has less recoil. And there is a great chance the bullet will break up, fragment, separate or disinegrate in a sheet rock wall if they miss there target avoiding the chance of hitting a person in the next room. The “AR” is NOT a powerful weapon. Law-enforcement sometimes prefer a piece of equipment with a MILITARY Tactical cosmetic appearence that has a physiological effect they can use for crowd control. They also take this same consideration in picking a uniform and where they hang out or park. You know how it goes. Talk softly but carry a big stick. But in this case the bark and black tactical “cosmetic looks” are bigger than it’s bite.

    The Military also prefers infra red night vison optics and tactical lights which attach to the picatinny rails for use in special operations that were not of any use to either assailant in CT or CO.

    So, the want-a-be bad guy who watches too much TV is actually mislead about the facts too.

    Because hollywood is using a firearm in the WRONG way to glamorize their movies and increase their own personal profilts and income.

    The same anti-gun actors/directors and supporters who protest law-abiding citizens from owning legal firearms make the bad guy look like the hero as the promote the WRONG use of a firearm to enhance their own profits.

    The MEDIA also failed to report to the public over 90 bombs were used in the Columbine massacre. 76 in the school, 13 in the cars, 8 in the residence and 2 additional propane bombs to divert the police.

    3,000 Americans were killed in 9/11/01

    Not a single firearm was used?

    3,000 people died and the weapon was a box cutter.

    Guns are NOT the problem.

    Recently vp biden said “they want to ban ALL military firearms” but left out many of the specifics and some very IMPORTANT information and facts from the public once again.

    The Military also uses the 9mm Beretta handgun and Benelli shotgun? They want to ban them too? BTW, both one of them so-called “black” guns….

    In the recent incident where the mom defended her life and her two 9 year old twins from an agressive intruder who stalked them in their own home where the family had to take cover in the attic. Some people seem to agree with her owning a revolver but still protest high capacity magazines? I guarantee that revolver was out of bullets when the stalker ran away. Had the stalker been armed or with his associates who were armed she would be very lucky to survive even if she had a semi-automatic firearm with MULTIPLE high capacity magazines. It took almost FOUR hours before law-enforcement entered the school in the Columbine massacre to rescue the injured who needed immediate medical attention.

    We will approve of law-enforcement to guard gas stations 24/7 during Hurricane Sandy, guard your money in a bank or a 24/7 convience store but we won’t put an armed professional to protect and serve in OUR schools??? People have lost their mind.

    The school is RESPONSIBLE for the protection and SAFETY of the children in their care from ALL harm, including bad misleading politics.

    There is a BIG problem in this country and it’s called political correctness.

    The liberals are trying to save the world by killing America.

    We should ban movies, video games and ALL cars that exceed the legal speed limit immediately.

    What does Rated PG mean? Where are the parents???

    BTW, I do NOT vote Republican because they are doing such a good job. Because they are NOT.

    I vote Republican because the democrats are destroying the country.

    If the Republicans don’t step up to the plate SOON and start putting AMERICA and LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS FIRST they too will lose my vote.

    Thank You

    Law-Abiding Citizen

  97. backwardsnj says:

    The NRA is the OLDEST Civil Liberties Organization in the U.S.A.

    obama, biden, holder, pelosi and bloomberg are the best lobby the firerams and ammunition companies could ever ask for….kind of ironic….but true.

    The NRA works very hard to protect, preserve and bequeathe YOUR GOD-Given Birth Rights, Freedoms and Liberties to the next generation as your Founding Fathers did for YOU.

    The liberal progressive democrats who are destroying America have been attacking the First & Second Amendment for decades.

    This is the time when ALL sportsmen/women, outdoors people, Citizens and Organizations like the NRA, United Sportsmens Allaince, ANJRPC, CJRPC, United Bowhunters of NJ, Trout Unlimited, SCI, the Boone & Crockett Association Founded by President Theodore Roosevelt and ALL others hunters, shooters, collectors, advocates, activist, fishermen/women need to UNITE and FIGHT back like never before!

    Be safe!
    Good hunting, fishing!!
    Enjoy all your outdoor adventures!!!

    NRA Benefactor Life Member
    United Bowhunters of NJ Life Member
    Trout Unlimited Life Member

    CJRPC & ANJRPC Life Member

    Boone & Crockett Member
    United Sportsmens Alliance Member

  98. backwardsnj says:

    State level laws vary significantly in their form, content, and level of restriction. Forty-four states have a provision in their state constitutions similar to the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The exceptions are California, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, and New York.

    In New York, however, the statutory civil rights laws contain a provision virtually identical to the Second Amendment.

    As well, the Supreme Court of the United States has held that the protections of the Second Amendment apply against state governments and their political subdivisions (see: McDonald v. Chicago and Hellar v. DC).

  99. Mike says:

    Screw this…I’m moving south. New Jersey SUCKS!

  100. Frank says:

    The 2nd amendment is actually 3 part.
    The 1st in giving the States the right to a “well regulated Militia” (note: by definition, well regulated in the 1700’s meant “well supplied”) and the 2nd in giving the right to keep and bear arms to individuals (no qualifiers). The 3rd part, the last 4 words that say it all, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

    “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms, is as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” T Jefferson

    That being said, there are many people today, who have a deep (and a legitimate,) distrust of the government.

    They believe that it is in the nature of governments to accumulate and to concentrate more and more power over people’s lives. More power leads to more control. It has always been so. As Lord Acton so famously stated, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Meaning that those who are given power over others will use that power.

    Even if the government is not specifically intending to do so, it is the nature of large governments that this occurs.

    Now the government may espouse their desire to help the citizenry, but when individuals disagree with what the government determines is in their best interest, then those in power use coersion. Sometimes subtle, sometimes not so subtle.

    This concentration of power and increasing coersion can be gradual (like slowly turning up the heat on a lobster in a pot), or sudden (like dropping him into boiling water).

    One need only be a casual student of history to see the process at work again and again and again.

    The Second Ammendment is *our* garuantee that this loss of individual freedom and increasing control of our lives cannot be done with impunity.

    One need only look at what is occurring in Syria today or in Mexico, or any of a dozen other locations around the globe .to see examples of what happens when the government controls the people and when the people are defenseless to resist.

    Now you may feel that this distrust is not warrented, or that it verges on paranoia. Many might agree with you. However many more, would not.

    The Founding Fathers believed fervently that ordinary citizens needed to be protected from an oppressive government. If they had not, then there would not have been a Second Amendment in the first instance. They were very distrustful of the concentration of power into the hands of the few. They set up safeguards through the concepts of Separation of Powers and Federalism to prevent it from happening. They added further protections in the Bill of Rights.

    The Founding Fathers, I am certain, would be aghast at the degree to which the government controls the lives of Americans today. Indeed, they went into rebellion over transgressions less onerous than what we today have allowed to be imposed upon us.

    Read the Declaration of Independence. Look at the reasons that are ennumerated there. They speak of an oppressive government seeking to impose it’s will, (unlawfully in their opinion), upon the citizenry.

    The Second Ammendment was NEVER about what type of arms citizens might own or about what the technological developments of the future might bring. It was not about hunting. It was not about home defense. It was not about target shooting. It was about the ability of citizens to oppose and resist the oppression of a tyrannical government.

    There are those Americans that honestly feel that this point of view is not applicable to the 21st century; that such concerns are the things of history. They label those like myself, as ‘gun nuts’ or as paranoid, even dangerous.
    If you are one that believes that this distrust is stuff out of a dusty history book, and has no relevance in the 21st century, then I urge you again to to look around more carefully.

    Those of us that support the Second Ammendment feel that it’s relevence is as valid now as it was when it was first penned.

  101. [...] what’s in the Garden State gun grabbers’ bills until later today. But Rob Eichmann [via conservativenewjersey.com] reports that NJ Democrats have introduced 18—count ‘em 18—gun control bills [...]

  102. lghee says:

    I find it disturbing that none of this outrage about guns was forthcoming when black college kids were shot in Newark. Now that upper middle class white kids have been victimized by a deranged person now everyone is up in arms about guns. I am not denuding the loss of any life, but it seems this country puts a premium on whose life is more important than others. I am a gun owner and I am black. It would seem to me if any population should be well armed are decent hard working black folks, instead we are disillusioned into thinking that this is something that only rednecks, hillbillies and racist do. There is a reason that the U.S. is preeminent in the world, it is because of how we think of self defense, globally and individually. Peace.

  103. truther says:

    Very good point! And that was in NEW JERSEY! Where were all these Jersey liberals then?

  104. Linda Dixon-Ponzetto says:

    I say, everyone pick a day and CARRY your weapon in plain sight! There are safety in numbers! The police could never arrest us all. Prove a point. People expect a person with a gun. It would curb everyones ignorance, that’s for sure!

  105. Linda Dixon-Ponzetto says:

    I hope Christy has a freeking stroke for this bullshit! Obama too!

  106. backwardsnj says:

    Anyone who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither!!!

  107. Doris says:

    I think Hitler may have said it best “To conquer a nation, One must first disarm it’s citizens”.

  108. Joseph Amici says:

    With regard to bill A3659 which will include 50 caliber weapons as destructive devices, does that mean that 50 caliber black powder rifles, which are used for hunting purposes and which do not have clips or magazines and are single shot weapons and have to be loaded by hand with powder and ball will be included on the list of destructive devices? If so, then I think that the liberal idiots in Trenton have gone crazy.